Abbot Management Feedback: Aftershocks
[2/21/08 Note: In the weeks since I wrote this post, I submitted Supervillain and have seen only professionalism from these guys. As your personal guinea pig who came out alive, I recommend that writers submit their stuff and learn from the coverage.]
It has been about a week now since I received three sets of Aftershocks coverage from Abbot Management, and I’m still trying to figure out what to think about them. I am reminded of an earlier post which covered some of the same territory when I got coverage from BlueCat. But this coverage from Abbot was exponentially more… complicated.
The first reader loved the script - loved it. I wish I could just copy/paste his entire coverage here and walk away, but that would be less than classy. Let’s put it this way: on Abbot’s 5-point grading scale, I received perfect scores (5 out of 5) in Dialog, Character, and Pacing, with 4 out of 5 scores in Premise, Conflict, Originality, and Structure. Not only did this reader “get” the twist ending and grasp the solution to the puzzle perfectly, he found it profound and powerful. My favorite reader ever. My lowest score was 3 out of 5, and I only received that in one category: Clarity, which is understandable because Aftershocks is a time-jumping puzzle movie which is pretty demanding. Clarity has always been a concern of mine, because some people “get” the twist/puzzle and others don’t. His overall rating for the script was 4 out of 5 with a “Recommend,” or a recommendation that his company represent the script. Victory.
The second reader wasn’t quite as ecstatic (all 4s and 3s, no perfect 5s), but still gave it a 4 out of 5 overall, with his bottom line another “Recommend.” Hey, I can’t argue with that. At this point I got an appreciated email from the development manager notifying me that the script had made its way to his desk. He also noted that the two readers who had recommended my script were two of the more critical readers on his staff. Nice.
And then the love-fest fell apart. The third reader’s coverage (was this from the development manager himself? I inferred so but this was never made explicit) was professional and well-written, but it was breathtakingly different from the others - I received the lowest possible score (1 out of 5) in Pacing. Yes, Pacing, a category in which I received the highest possible score from the first reader. Other 1s out of 5 in Conflict, Originality, and Structure - the first reader gave me a 4 out of 5 in each of these. Heartbreakingly, it appears that the third reader didn’t “get” the twist/puzzle - he said the twist was completely unoriginal and was exactly like another movie, which he mentioned by name. But the thing is, it is not the same twist. This is not splitting hairs - it is a different twist - but a misunderstanding that some other readers have made as well. Bottom line: if people don’t “get” the twist, it is the writer’s fault. I received a “thanks but we’ll have to pass” email from the development manager, with some constructive and helpful notes, and it was over.
But… was this really constructive and helpful? Abbot’s individual coverages were each professional and constructive, don’t get me wrong, but when trying to learn from all 3, I am at a loss. Scratching my head. One guy loved it, one guy dug it, and another guy said it just flat didn’t work. One understood the twist/puzzle, another one didn’t. You are supposed to believe all your readers, but with highest scores here, lowest scores there… who am I supposed to listen to?
I am reminded of something a classmate told me years ago over pitchers of Shiner Bock in our weekly after-class pool-hall grad-school ritual, 8 or 10 of us sitting outside in the Austin nighttime heat, talking about our scripts and instructors and movies, movies, movies. He said, “Pick your favorite movie from last year. Best movie of the year. I guarantee you there will be somebody in this group who hated it. Guarantee you.” He was right - readers have different tastes… but you still have to please them all, don’t you?
So I found this whole round of feedback pretty frustrating. So frustrating I went ahead and uploaded Supervillain to Abbot also. So I still have that agony to look forward to.
February 15, 2008 at 3:26 pm
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February 16, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Rob, I am an aspiring writer who reads lots of screenplays. I’ve read your screenplays Aftershocks and Supervillains. Supervillains was great. Anyone that reads it should like it and I would think any producer would see a lot of potential in it. Then I read Aftershocks. It looks like it was written by a completely different person. Compared to Supervillain, Aftershocks is a waste of space. You should print out as many copies as you can and use it as toilet paper. It is garbage. Reading it was pure torture. It made zero sense. How you got a reader to actually finish that thing is beyond me. YOu should be thankful someone took the time to bore themself to death with it. I would think any producer would get to about page 20-25 and toss it in the trash. I don’t know what you think you got with it. Anyone who like it or even thought it remotely had any redeeming qualities doesn’t know anything about screenwriting. Writer yourself antoher Supervillain and chalk up Aftershocks to a practice paper or learning experience. Keep writing. A good screenplay can only be written after writing several bad ones.
February 17, 2008 at 11:17 am
Joe - thanks for the comment and the honest opinions. I am very curious as to how you read Aftershocks and Supervillain. I tried to send you a follow-up email with some questions, but the email address you provided doesn’t work- please email me at robblanum@mac.com. Did you read them for a production company or agency? If so, which ones? Email me and I will not reveal these on the blog. I appreciate your feedback, I’m just trying to determine if you really read them. Can you tell me something about them (a plot point or anything else) that would prove to me that you really read them? Not trying to be defensive, just trying to make sure you are not goofing me. Thanks, and any more info/feedback you have is appreciated.
February 18, 2008 at 1:01 pm
>>you still have to please them all, don’t you?
Who says you have to please them all?
Who says that you have to please anyone besides yourself?
February 20, 2008 at 1:42 pm
I submitted my work like 5 days ago. Nadasville. So, is that what gives? You get two ego strokers followed by a harsh kick in the nuts? That’s two people that say they got two goods one bad.
And what’s the deal with that Chiara girl/guy? Was kind of vague. Took me out to lunch and laid out a battle plan, they’re great. My inner skeptic is itchy. But whatever.
I keep picturing Abbot & Costello reading my psychological horror.
Rob, yeah. Could you email me the dirt on dood and whatever horrible stuff went down with him and Abbott? I don’t want him taking me out to lunch if he eats children or something. Well, maybe if he pays for lunch I’ll still go but not the point. I’m curious.
Also, I’d love to see a sample of the coverage, if you could email me one of those maybe. Choose an ego stroker, might not get to see what one of those look like.
Anyway, stumbled upon this here blog and thought, hey, if this Rob dood’s gonna give these Abbott doods a try, me too. Me too.
Thanks!
February 20, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Ry, cuz - you’ll get coverage soon enough. And when you do come back right away and tell me what they said.
Some Supervillain coverage has come back - more on that soon.
February 21, 2008 at 4:09 am
Sure ting, boss.
I’m always suspicious of these eager big ideas start-ups. I’m thinking it’s going to be kind of like Inktip except that of the scripts listed there will be those that Abbott “represents”. The idea that every time Inktip stuff sells, Inktip gets a cut type of deal. Kind of a crazy idea.
Crazy like a fox.
Later, cuz
February 21, 2008 at 12:38 pm
I sent mine on the 11th, about ten days ago. haven’t heard a word yet. I did have trouble uploading my script and after a few attempts and contacting them they said they did get it. I am hoping they’re players in the hollywood realm, but hey, free coverage is a bonus (I’ve shelled out a lot for coverage over the years).
can’t wait t hear about the super villain coverage.
February 21, 2008 at 1:29 pm
mcamp - thanks for the comment.
Patience. Like you said, free coverage is a great deal. And these guys are lightning-fast. Their turnaround time for the first Supervillain coverage was longer than for Aftershocks, so my guess is they are getting busier.
February 21, 2008 at 8:15 pm
They updated their site saying that they now represent 13 writer have 24 works or writers in development and have over 500+ submissions. 500+ divided by 15 is 33 specs a piece. If each reader is also reading a script that another reader read then that number doubles.
As word gets out that number will increase b/c everyone is going to be uploading their old stuff, new stuff and it’ll be in the thousands before the end of the month. My screenplay is going to be buried in the mountain somewhere and some day, possibly on my death bed, I’ll get an email stating that they pass and just as I open the attachment to read my free coverage - croak. I’ll die.
I’m an optimist.
February 21, 2008 at 9:56 pm
“They updated their site saying that they now represent 13 writer have 24 works or writers in development ”
What was it before? If they’ve added a new client, it wasn’t me. Supervillain’s still making the rounds.
March 4, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Hi Rob,
are the coverage reports you got for aftershocks different, or are the identical, I mean, like down to the letter?
i”ll look for a follow up ost here.
thanks.
Mike
March 4, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Ryan:
yeah that sounds like a lot of screenplays, but for 15 readers not too many, since they have been getting them since at least Sept. 07. thats 7 months ago.
March 4, 2008 at 2:40 pm
mcamp asked:
“are the coverage reports you got for Aftershocks different, or are they identical, I mean, like down to the letter?”
Not quite sure what you mean - some of the logline and synopsis info was the same (because I provided it and it was copied/pasted in all 3 reports) but the commentary sections were all different from each other. Completely different.
Is this what you mean? Did you receive identical coverages? Go to the bottom of the abbot page and click on Coverage by - Reader1, 2, and 3 for the full reports.
March 4, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Robb,
yeah that’s what I mean. I did the bottom of thepage and the coverage from both readers was identical. I suppose its probably just an erro on their part, and even one coverage is well worth the time.
thanks for the fast response.
March 4, 2008 at 3:15 pm
There must be a mistake. If they don’t correct it or if you don’t get multiple coverages after a while, I’d use the message sending box at the bottom to let them know.
BTW I used their messages system to thank each reader for each script, and I got a couple of notes in response. I spent some time as a reader and I know it would have been cool to communicate directly with the writer on a couple of occasions - it shows that their process strives to be helpful and somewhat transparent, which is virtually never the case in the industry normally. Now if I could just get an answer on Supervillain…
March 4, 2008 at 5:19 pm
somethings seems fishy… they loved it… then all of a sudden they hated it, and meanwhile their terms of service state “I acknowledge that Abbot Management along with the potential buyers that Abbot Management submits screenplays to receives numerous submissions of ideas, formats, stories, suggestions, screenplays, and the like, and that new ideas for motion pictures and television programs are constantly being submitted to or being developed by Abbot Management and Abbot Management’s potential Buyers. I also acknowledge that many stories and ideas are similar, and often different stories and ideas relate to one or more common underlying themes. I acknowledge that Abbot Management and Potential Buyers may have had access to and/or may have independently created or have had created ideas, themes, formats, stories, suggestions screenplays and/or other materials which may be similar or identical to the theme, plot, idea, format or other element of the material now being submitted by me. I understand and agree that I will not be entitled to any compensation because of the use by Abbot Management of any such similar or identical material.”
so basically if your script happened to be just like another idea they read that’s “just a coincidence” and guess what, you’re script was unoriginal and they passed on it, but if you were to see something just like it, that would just be a coincidence.
I don’t know i am extremely cautious about it.
March 4, 2008 at 7:10 pm
christopher - Unfortunately that is standard language that you will see whenever you submit a script or other literary property to anyone. Companies like this get countless submissions all the time and without signing a release they will not look at your work - it just opens them up to lawsuits. This is the same reason companies do not open unsolicited material.
Writers do have to protect themselves and their work from theft, yes - and to do this you register and/or copyright your work with the WGA (http://www.wgawregistry.org/webrss/) or U.S. Library of Congress (http://www.copyright.gov/). Theft does happen, but the frequency and fear of this is overstated. So register your scripts and send them out!
March 5, 2008 at 12:43 pm
robb,
I got the final from ABM. great coverage from all concerned. praise for giving them a good read and super comments on the whole screenplay. and then, as has been my luck on more than one occassion (I am sure for others as well) my script is almost identical to one that New Line is bringing out very soon, almost identical. so that makes my work virtually worthless, except for the experience. last year, or two ago, I submitted a script to one of the Big 5 prodco’s based on a query. my script was titled
“The Museum” the prodco loved it, but they also told me that another movie was coming out within a month or so titled “A Night at the museum” we had the same premise, same locations, almost identical characters etc. but you know what? stuff happens, thats why they all have release forms, since we are all bombarded with similar experiences, sights, sounds, and more, many of us have similar ideas for the next great block buster.
being the ambitious writer that I am, I do have a couple more almost ready to submit.
write on everybody.
March 6, 2008 at 11:10 am
mcamp - Glad to hear Abbot treated you well, even if it didn’t work out. Definitely submit the others when they’re ready. I will probably submit a third script myself.
“…as has been my luck on more than one occassion my script is almost identical to one…”
You too? This has happened to me 3 or 4 times myself, and MAN is it frustrating! I have been considering writing a post on this very thing, because it does happen to writers fairly often. It is frustrating, but it also proves that we are on the right track.
March 6, 2008 at 11:19 am
mike says:
Robb, you should do a post on the subject, I remember the first time it happened to me, I was sure I had been ripped off, but it wasn;t true. I finally came to realize that old saying is true ” great minds think alike” and yes, we are on the right track, we just have to be pre-emptive, or think quicker
like me, you probably have a little precious time to spend blogging.
thanks Robb.
March 25, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Just uploaded a screenplay to Abbott. I was wondering though, I saw no process to get a log in name and password. Is that something that they send you after you submit or did I miss something? I filled out all necessary forms, uploaded and it successfully processed. I just don’t have a password as of now.
Great Blog by the way. Found you in a search for unsolicited screenplay submissions.
March 25, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Art - Once they start reading your script, they’ll email you a username and password. Give them at least a week or so. I’m not sure how much volume they’re getting now, but when I submitted a while back it was a week or two I believe. Good luck - definitely keep us posted on what they say! And thanks for checking out the blog!
Still no update for me - last time I exchanged emails with the abbot guys was over a month ago, when they notified me that Supervillain had moved up the chain. They also had some questions about my option, which expires in a few weeks. My guess is they are waiting to see if it lapses before they make a decision, but who knows. Time to check back in with them I guess…
March 26, 2008 at 10:47 am
Robb - If they’re asking about your option that is a GREAT sign (imo). Thanks for the quick response. Good luck with the movement of your scripts.
Art
March 26, 2008 at 1:38 pm
omg.. good work, man
June 23, 2008 at 12:01 pm
You haven’t posted in quite some time about Abbot, I was wondering what your final opinion was of it, once you recieved info back on supervillian. Please let me know what you thought.
June 23, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Keith - I found Abbott to be an open and legit operation and I wish them success as they begin their adventure. I exchanged emails with at least a couple of their principals. I would encourage everyone to submit material to them - both to further their own careers as well as to read coverage, which is always at least interesting. Bottom line: send your stuff to them and good luck.
We talked about Supervillain but my option was extended with the producers I have been pursuing it with - I meant to post about this but there hasn’t been any other news to report. If/when my producers’ current leads fall apart, Abbott will be the first to know.
June 24, 2008 at 9:50 am
Thanks for the quick response, I took your advice and submitted my script (registering it with the wga first ofcourse), and I look forward to hearing from them on it. Thanks for your help. It’s tough to trust some agencies these days.
-Keith