Stay with me here:
Music is my life. Always has been. In high school, I was the guy with over 200 tapes. By college, I was always having to buy more blank cassettes, walking down the dorm hallways copying everything I could get my hands on. Today I can’t leave the house without 3,441 of my favorite songs on my iPod. I fall in love with new (or “new to me”) songs on a regular basis, and I’m always desperately looking for songs to fall in love with, artists to collect, catalogs to complete.
So why don’t I like Steely Dan? If you looked at my music collection, you’d expect to see them. They have much of what I like: impeccable musicianship, sophisticated and complicated (but not too complicated) songs and structures, a more intellectual bent than standard 70s rock fare. I definitely should like them, but… I don’t. I respect them, I completely understand that the quality of their stuff is first-rate, but… well…. I’m not sure if they leave me cold, or if I find them pretentious (imagine that), or what, but I don’t care for them. I’ll even say it: they suck.
And I don’t enjoy saying that. It makes me suspect that I am the one missing the boat. Their stuff is so high-brow, so universally lauded, that something must be wrong with me. Right? And yet, there it is: they suck.
This kind of bugs me. I give them every opportunity. Last night I finished – after three attempts – watching a Tivo’d episode of “Classic Albums” on their landmark “Aja” record from 1977. I wanted to finally find the last piece of the puzzle, find that missing “something” that I had been overlooking all those years. I wasn’t “getting” them, that must be it, so I’d let the “experts” take me by the hand and lead me through the process and explain to me why Steely Dan was as great as everybody has always said they are.
Looking up from the new Harry Potter book, Michelle didn’t know how to respond to this. “Steely Dan? I thought you hated them?” she said. “I don’t hate them,” I replied. “Yes, you do,” she said, “you say they suck.” “Well, yeah, I mean I do hate them,” I replied, “but, you know, they’re great.”
She went back to her book and I kept watching. And waiting. And guess what? There was no “missing piece.” Nothing I had overlooked. I did “get them,” but I still don’t like them. They still suck.
But not really. I mean, they’re good but I don’t like them. More precisely, I don’t love them, and that’s what I think I’m getting at here. There is plenty for me to respect and admire in Steely Dan, plenty for me to like, but, try as I have all these years, I never find anything there to love. I have never found anything to emotionally connect to with in Steely Dan. And, until recently, that has never been a requirement for me. But somehow, somewhere in there, it became one. A big one. Somewhere in there my tastes, my reason for listening to music or seeing movies or looking at art, went from an intellectual interest to learn about stuff to a need to emotionally engage with something, to fall in love. It is fine to respect and admire something, but that is not enough anymore. My response to Random Question #3 notwithstanding, it appears that I may have changed. Possibly.
Why am I thinking about this? After having this realization I looked back on the stuff I have written as well as the stuff I am writing now. I can clearly see some stuff that is fine and interesting and maybe even respectable, but which gives us nothing to fall in love with. And when I think of the stuff I am most proud of and ask myself WHY it is I am proud of it, and I can’t really explain, I think that is what it comes to: I am in love with it, and more importantly other people have fallen in love with it too. There is an emotional attachment there.
But how do you get that thing in there, how do you make that thing that people will fall in love with and put it in your work? How do I make Dead Guy a more engaging and satisfying experience than Steely Dan? Now there is much more at stake than “getting the story to work.” Suddenly the only thing that matters is that emotional attachment.
But emotional attachment… to what? The easy answer is “the characters” but that’s not really it. It’s part of it, yes, but not the whole thing. There are movies I love, but not because the characters are sympathetic or easy for me to identify with, or any of those things you find in screenwriting bibles. The story and the theme are important too, but again, not the whole answer. It’s like falling in love with a person – appearance, yes, intelligence, yes, personality, definitely – but you don’t fall in love with everyone you meet that has all three. We’ve all had people that were “perfect” for us, that friends and family couldn’t believe we weren’t crazy about, that we just weren’t that interested in. Like Steely Dan.
So… what exactly do I do with these new revelations? Beats me. But the one thing I cannot do is forget them.
August 10, 2007 at 10:46 am |
I haven’t checked out Steely Dan, but I’ve seen indications that I *might* like them. Someday maybe.
Recently I’ve dabbled back into early Genesis actually. Netflix has documentaries with critical commentary and vintage performance footage. It’s wild to see them so young. I would totally hang out with cool people like that. And Gabriel is so pretty! I bought both “Inside Genesis” DVDs- 1970-5 and 1975-80.
Oh man, Eraserhead just came up on my Recommendations in Netflix. Wow. Does that make it mainstream now?
August 19, 2007 at 1:43 pm |
Steely is good. You suck. Admit it.
August 19, 2007 at 6:06 pm |
How much Steely Dan do you own? My guess is zero, sucka.
September 9, 2007 at 7:33 am |
I hated them for years. But they’ve been one of my all-time favorite bands for about a decade now. I was reading about them in the Los Angeles Times in 1994, and the article quoted “Only A Fool Would Say That.” I hadn’t heard the song, but the lyric was “everybody on the street has murder in their eyes.” Spoke to me. I did a deep investigation and discovered that almost everything they say is sarcastic. From their own book, REELING IN THE YEARS: “If, upon finishing a song, we didn’t return to the hotel and roar with laughter, there was a failure somewhere.” This I liked.
I could go on and on, but I won’t Except to say I know what it feels like to HATE them. And to LOVE them. I’m glad I love them now. Makes life more enjoyable. And happily, Steely Dan doesn’t care too much about what you and I think.
October 20, 2007 at 8:34 am |
You must be the first person i know of who has given a respectable answer to why not like steely dan. Usualy people just don’t get it, they either don’t listen closely and stapels them as lame and cheesy, or they just don’t get the great lyrical and musical happenings in each and every song (or should i say masterpiece?).
I, myself am steely dan fan untill death do us apart… but though i can not seem to understand what you miss in their music, i fully respect it (as peoples conscious and sub-conscious decisions are diverse and complex).
(not that i think there is much chance that you will see this; and in that case, give a rat’s molested ass about what som Norwegian kid thinks about all this)
October 25, 2007 at 10:56 am |
Mikjel – I read all the comments. Thanks for posting!
March 2, 2008 at 3:35 pm |
I never understand why someone goes to the length of saying an artist sucks, blows, stinks, and so forth. I’m not defending anyone in particular. And it’s not a matter of hurt feelings or anything like that. It’s just that when a piece of art is created from the heart and/or mind how could some truly have license to deem that it sucks? It either speaks to you or it doesn’t and you move on. This is like a Red Sox fan screaming about how bad the Yankees suck (there’s that word again), when in reality this fan is probably incapable of ever playing major league baseball himself. Ya buys ya ticket…. ya takes ya chances.
October 2, 2008 at 10:56 pm |
I have all their albums and have much admired the Dan from the start. Their excellence in songwriting and musicianship can’t be denied, and their first few were undoubtedly glorious albums. But a band who shunned live performance, and who hired session musicians as soon as their second album were always headed into oveproduction, where the connection at an emotional level is lost. They lost it for me from Aja onwards when I thought they became slick and soulless. Also I entirely agree with Robb that it is often hard to make an emotional connection to the music. The subject matter, the world weary, impenetrable lyrics and the general cynicism, which is referred to by seehoweasy above, make the listening often less than rewarding. Also, to tell the truth Donald Fagen’s voice always grated with me. It’s too nasal and smart-alec in tone for my taste.
December 30, 2008 at 4:47 am |
I don’t know how to musically explain it; I just like Steely Dan. I liked the sound of Steely Dan way before I knew the back-story to their situation or owned their records OR even completely linked all the pieces to the same band. To me, it sounds good, like something that would tear me away from a conversation just to listen more closely – every time. Which is all why, with all due respect, I don’t/can’t understand your position. ???
April 17, 2009 at 2:15 pm |
Listen to something like Razor Boy or Dirty Work. I appreciate and love music just as much as you, but I fail to see how someone who seems to have such a rich musical background can’t love those songs (or the majority of Steely Dan’s other work).
Anyways, they certainly do not “suck”. Just because you don’t find them appealing doesn’t mean they suck. They are brilliant musicians and songwriters. They are complete perfectionists in the studio.
Hopefully you’ll see my point, but if not, we’re all friends here
Keep loving music
June 19, 2009 at 2:12 pm |
I totally agree with you Robb. I have always disliked the music of Steely Dan immensely. The only song I liked, somewhat, was “Reelin’ in the Years”, because I thought it was a Thin Lizzy song until I was old enough to know better. Even then, I thought it the worst Thin Lizzy song of all.
The relative indifference I felt for them turned to disrespect when they accused Owen Wilson of ripping off a character from their song “Cousin Dupree” for use in the movie “You, Me, & Dupree” (ref: http://www.steelydan.com/heyluke.html). Pretentious douchebags. It’s a completely different medium, and hardly the same character. At the most, it was an homage. They should really get over themselves.
July 7, 2009 at 7:29 am |
You are right. Steely Dan does suck. I can’t figure it out, either. They belong in the same column as Todd Rundgren that way. Great musicianship, well-crafted songs, but…there’s something missing. I think the songs are emotionally aloof and fail to connect with hard-edged listeners.
I had a brief affair with a woman fifteen years older than me. A total product of the 70s…selfish, pretentious, faux-worldly. Her two favorite bands? Steely Dan and Todd Rundgren.
November 1, 2009 at 3:47 pm |
In the same column: Steely Dan and Todd Rundgren. You nailed it Darryl. Brilliant!
August 28, 2009 at 2:52 pm |
I can’t stand Steely Dan either. When I was younger and more naive, I bought their album with Reeling in the Years, and touted them as great only because others said they were such talented professionals. I remember the blurb on the album stating they were revolutionary, similar to when Steve Windwood came out with his album in the eighties, he was labeled as a child prodigy. But looking back as a youngster, I recall the feelings of, “Man, I don’t know, this feels dull, but maybe I don’t know because I’m not a professional musician.” Now I’m more aware of the corporate crap and self-promotion. I’m not saying all corporate crap is bad, but this is polished nonsense. It’s like that painting, I think called “The Tempest” or “The Storm”, with the perfect looking boy and girl running from a storm. The guy painted like your “supposed to” and did all the right things to make the professors and academics of the time go ga ga, but it didn’t stand the test of time because there wasn’t an edge of realness, just polish. That’s how I feel about Steely Dan.
November 22, 2009 at 3:00 pm |
You are obviously grovelling far too long here. Okay, I get the picture, you know music, you’re probably intelligent too. But, you don’t like Steely Dan, “they suck” you say. Let me reassure you there is nothing to grovel about. The best bands will have thier fare share of ‘haters’. Why? Because of thier unique flavor and vibe to someone will be like petting a cat backwards to another. And, I find ‘haters’ of the Dan, interesting, but, you are like that Talking Heads song. “When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed, Say something once, why say it again”.
I may interject, that the reason you “hate” the Dan is that you love repetition, as evident in your blog. A Steely Dan song is anything but repetious they certainly are like no other band and thier songs are not like another of thier songs.
So, there it is. That’s my take on it.